Chatlog MachinimaMondays on Coded Movies with Ataro Asbrink

On monday November 28, MachinimaMondays group in Second Life had a fieldtrip!
Ataro Asbrink had contacted me and invited the group to come over.


Before posting the chatlog, I want to pass on what Ataro told me: if people have questions, tell them to contact me inworld.

http://scissores.com/super-blog/machinima/coded-movies-at-machinimamondays-group/

Chat at MaMo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaORD-R8IY

Welcome to LEA4, everyone. This is the art exhibition InterACT!

Chantal Harvey: welcome everybody

Pamila Tiponi: ty laura

Ataro Asbrink: i dont have sound atm

Friday Siamendes: every so often i hear a voice briefly

L1Aura Loire: If you make machinima of any installation here, or set here, I'll put it on a cool machinima viewer as part of the exhibition.

Chantal Harvey: geo, can you record it while streaming?

Pamila Tiponi: tyy

Geo Meek: if we got voice working

Geo Meek: yes

Friday Siamendes: how do i shut off Rock 6? it keeps asking me for permission to control my camera

Friday Siamendes: ok thanks

Reseting script...

Ataro Asbrink: i think we should all have seen the movie samples

Geo Meek: stream is here http://www.livestream.com/SecondLifeNews

Ataro Asbrink: then we can talk

Ze Moo: great music here

Ambrosia Lanley: is there a link for teh samples

Ze Moo: is that part of the show?

Friday Siamendes: phone commercial playing now . . .

Ze Moo: Cool Geo: i will put that fulls screen on my second screen

Matthew Kidomen: I have a computer commercial playing

LEA InterAct! Coded Movie Examples: Reseting script...

Friday Siamendes: what should happen when i sit on the rock?

Matthew Kidomen: can more than one person sit on a rock?

Matthew Kidomen: pose ball? dancing?

Friday Siamendes: i got a menu, what should happen? I get a message from the rock every second, i have received probably 200 so far

Sculpted Rock 6: Reseting script...

Ataro Asbrink: has anyone seen the movies yet?

Friday Siamendes: someone else please sit on Rock 6, maybe it will leave me alone LOL

Friday Siamendes: maybe the rock likes you better Ambrosia

Jackie Lefko: no

Matthew Kidomen: I am watching us on LiveStream, watch each other, watch Live Stream

Ambrosia Lanley: gave me a menu and have no idea what to click chose overview

Ataro Asbrink: i think we should use this one rock in front of the cineama, after the other, i am sorry

Ataro Asbrink: this works here

Gridjumper: does someone need a rock?

Gridjumper: if someone wants a turn

Ataro Asbrink: leave the script with EXIT pls

Ataro Asbrink: not just standing up

Pamila Tiponi: is nice...

Matthew Kidomen: Hey!

Ataro Asbrink: why not chat?

Matthew Kidomen: haha, I watched my self wave to myself. haha

Ze Moo: what draw distance is needed?

Matthew Kidomen: slow mirror

Ataro Asbrink: draw distance 160 m

Ataro Asbrink: its in the menu

Ze Moo: ok

Ataro Asbrink: pls read it, lol

Ambrosia Lanley: ok I hit escape got a nice white secreen

Ataro Asbrink: i dont hear voices

Ataro Asbrink: are you all watching? lol

Jackie Lefko: yes

Ambrosia Lanley: do you have a link to see this maybe ill try that

Jnix Fallon: no menu for me

Matthew Kidomen: the pictures are in my mind.

Ze Moo: its great Ataro! Awesome!

Ambrosia Lanley: matt has crayons he could draw us a picture

Ataro Asbrink: thx moo!

Ze Moo Ze Moo impressed!

L1Aura Loire: It's very cool, and has so many possibilities.

Ataro Asbrink: we should have tried this before with some people, so much scripts at the same time seems to be a problem

Gridjumper: ok so how do you do it?

Matthew Kidomen: who is controling the LiveStream camera?

L1Aura Loire: which viewer are you on?

Ze Moo: Geo

Ze Moo: Matthew: Geo Meek = livestream

Ambrosia Lanley: someone try rock 6

Ambrosia Lanley: I got zip

Matthew Kidomen: did you say, "Zim, Zim, Zola, Bim?"

Matthew Kidomen: special magic code

Jackie Lefko: we hear you

Ze Moo: it is Simulatorsalabim

Ze Moo: ,0

L1Aura Loire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwaORD-R8IY

Ze Moo: Macodema

Ataro Asbrink: lets make it in chat

L1Aura Loire: good

Ataro Asbrink: has anybody questions?

Chantal Harvey: yes, how do you do it

Chantal Harvey: is it with computer scripted language

Chantal Harvey: could we learn how to do that

Ataro Asbrink: yes with LSL

[Chantal Harvey: what is lsl

Pamila Tiponi: what scrips are use

Pamila Tiponi: for this

Ataro Asbrink: i can stop the running script, but i dont know who is watching, who needs help?

Pamila Tiponi: what language

Ze Moo: What is for you the main reasons you developed this Ataro? What does it gain for you from traditional video?

L1Aura Loire: Ataro has written these scripts himself.

Pamila Tiponi: what language javascript?

L1Aura Loire: LSL=Linden Scripting Language

Pamila Tiponi: ooh ok linden ones

Ataro Asbrink: I am just stopping the scripts in the rocks

L1Aura Loire: Ze's question is a good one--copying here so you can see it:

Ze Moo: What is for you the main reasons you developed this Ataro? What does it gain for you from traditional video?

Pamila Tiponi: smooth

Gridjumper: can you give an example of what the script looks like

Gridjumper: how many lines of code per minute of show?

Ataro Asbrink: just a moment...

L1Aura Loire: Here:

L1Aura Loire: It looks like this:

Cameraview(<70.915138, 76.942871, 20.937574>,<71.239334, 78.342018, 20.945393> ); //Regional coordinates

llSleep(6.0); //

L1Aura Loire: that is what I didn't want to read out loud!

Ze Moo: hey Pye! I cant see you but, please sit on a rock!

Ataro Asbrink: can you pls sit ion the stools, i delete thew rocks

Ze Moo: draw distance 160m

Gridjumper: ok so that line of code will give how mauch image and for how long?

Ze Moo: i am still in the Overview. how can i see myself?

Ataro Asbrink: yes

Ataro Asbrink: its really easy if you have understood it

L1Aura Loire: How about I return the rocks to you and you tell the people about your cool thing here?

Ataro Asbrink: just the coordinates of your camera and the direction

Ataro Asbrink: then you say llsleep etc in seconds and you see a scene

NicoleX Moonwall: that is a big IF for me

Geo Meek: seems i lost voice

Ataro Asbrink: first you have to have permission to use the camera, then you go

L1Aura Loire: no one is using voice right now--only text

Gridjumper: are there instructions for this posted someplace?

Ataro Asbrink: i leave only one rock with the script that will be better

Geo Meek: good thinking

Ataro Asbrink: instructions are in the menu after you sit on the rock

Friday Siamendes: this sounds really cool but after my traumatic experience with Rock 6 I have a Rock-sitting phobia

L1Aura Loire: I'll return the rest to you and you focus on the ideas behind what you're doing

Ataro Asbrink: haha

Geo Meek: i did post to

Geo Meek: http://www.livestream.com/secondlifenews

Ataro Asbrink: ok L1

L1Aura Loire: so if you're sitting on a rock, please rise

Ze Moo: And how is this different from the system Diabolus Carp uses for their live shows of The Wall and Metropolis?

Ze Moo: or would you call that coded movie' as well'

Geo Meek: i like it live but thats just me

Ataro Asbrink: the carp shows are performances, you can only see it at special times, this movies you can see everytime, when you want

Ze Moo: 'coded movie' hmm i wil try think of a better word maybe

Friday Siamendes: yes do NOT stand up

Geo Meek: may need to relog

Ze Moo: aha so Carp is 'coded theatre'? .)

Ataro Asbrink: now there is one rock left, problems are over i think

L1Aura Loire: It is a different way of thinking about "movie." Or camera-experience. It's exciting.

Ataro Asbrink: yes, carp is coded theatre

Ataro Asbrink: wonderful theatre

Ataro Asbrink: i like that

Ze Moo: yes i also like live performances a lot, because it has an interaction opening with the audience

Ataro Asbrink: but its not movie

Geo Meek: most of the AV's here are in this video http://www.livestream.com/secondlifenews

Ze Moo: what do you mean Ataro ? not movie??

Ataro Asbrink: movie is when you use the language of film used since griffith

Geo Meek: my work is just video capture

Ze Moo: weren't movies originally called moving pictures?

Ataro Asbrink: oh, thank you Geo, wonderful

Geo Meek: do visit me in Caleta there is a live link running on the ticker

Ze Moo: yes 'movie' is just abreviation of 'moving pictures' afaik

Ze Moo: the whole SL experience is kind of an individualized interactive 'movie' imho

L1Aura Loire: The menu gives choices, but they are limited, too, so for me it is a dance between what I can choose and what I cannot. And by taking out editing, making the experience of the movie -- yes--what Ze said--it takes that part of the SL and makes it more so, with a menu, specific camera views.

also i always said 'SL is the ultimate most real interactive live tele vision untill now'

Ze Moo: .)

L1Aura Loire: Maybe "virtual movie" is a better name than coded movie?

Ataro Asbrink: you can see the movies on the rock in front of the cinema

Ze Moo: no i dont like that Laura

Ze Moo: all movies are kind of 'virtual'

L1Aura Loire: then it is your turn to come up with a name!

Gridjumper: ok so the code works for a small set as you have here you move the camera within that set?

Pamila Tiponi: Code Directed movies

Ze Moo: yes i am thinkin

Ze Moo: good one Pam

Pamila Tiponi: ty

Ataro Asbrink: there are no frames anymore, you look right into sl-reality, thats virtual, dont you think zee?

Gridjumper: or can you have the camera move with the code to a very wide space?

Sorry late

Ataro Asbrink: somebody wrote that he could to the next sim with this

L1Aura Loire: could see into?

] Ataro Asbrink: but i think its not possible right now

Gridjumper: how long - how many lines of code per minute of movie?

Ze Moo:








Ataro: sure it is virtual, but 'virtual\ is so much more, not really defined

Ataro Asbrink: sections?

Ze Moo: Geo: your stream of us looks awesome!

Chantal Harvey: yes geo

Ataro Asbrink: yes it looks great

Chantal Harvey: http://www.livestream.com/SecondLifeNews

Ataro Asbrink: has someone NOT seen a movie on the rock, lol

L1Aura Loire: "Movie on the Rock"

Chantal Harvey: hehe

Ataro Asbrink: there is one rock left, you can watch there

Ataro Asbrink: maybe thats the name, haha

L1Aura Loire: yes :) although it will only make sense to us

Pamila Tiponi: are these codes also used in rl sercurity cams?

Ataro Asbrink: yes, hear you

pamila: could be, lol

Hypatia Pickens: I just lost her voice

Hypatia Pickens: completely

Pamila Tiponi: but then in other scripting languages

Hypatia Pickens: when I closed out the livestream on line

Chantal Harvey: the stream has her voice

Ataro Asbrink: yes, not in LSL

Ze Moo: Yes! i need this for my SL security cams! to see who has been rezzing graffiti on my skybox ! L1Aura Loire: it was me, Ze ;) I confess

MoM September 2011 - here are the films

8 films are part of Month Of Machinima September 2011 (theme was: Seasons).

The opening event was September 7, 2011 - and it was even more fun this month.
Many came to see the films, and for the first time we had L1aura Loire interviewing the filmers between the showing of the machinima's. That certainly added to the event, and many questions came from the audience. L1 and myself did a joined presentation, and the event was filmed - stay tuned for a small impression that will be hosted on MoM You Tube account asap.

A unique service that MoM provides to Second Life residents that visit the theater, is that watching the films is enabled in all viewers. This service is provided by AviewTV, thanks to Lapiscean Liberty.All films show on their website, too!


Theme for Oktober is: four elements. (be creative, think art...)
Somebody in the crowd mentioned 4 elephants --- well, we dare you!



Submit your films here (deadline is the 15th)




As LEA (Linden Endowment for the Arts) we are proud to announce that there now is a machinima sim available to the filmers that submit their films to MoM.
The Machinima sim (set to adult) is hosting 8 studio’s, and these will be randomly appointed amongst each months submissions, (we trow numbers in a hat and make a draw). Your film does not have to be chosen for showcasing in MoM to be part of this, all entries in MoM have an equal chance to get a monthly plot.
Plots are assigned for one month. The filmer that gets a plot is responsible for their plot, which beholds 1000 prims per studio, and for good neighbourly behavior. LEA/MoM members will have the right to end the use of a studio before the end of the assigned period.


These are the films showcasing in MoM September 2011:


Chaffrro Schoonmaker - Unknowable Isles
Ian Pahute – All You Need Is Now
Hunk Hausner - Curves
Bleu Oleander – A Pesto For All Seasons
Chic Aeon – Nature of Elements
Pooky Amsterdam – Why Now? Diversity Tolerance Footprint
Rafale Kamachi – Love me Tender
Iono Allen – Visualizing Theorem at UTSA


MoM has it s own YouTube account and playlist.
Soon after the openingsceremony the machinima’s will be included on the MoM YouTube playlist, on AviewTV.com.

Please visit our new blog

MoM September 2011 opening event

You are invited to the event of the day! MoM – Month of Machinima welcomes the new films for September 2011.

When: September 7, 7 pm SL time
Where: LEA theater in Second Life – see SLurls below
Extra: This spectacular opening event will be filmed – so dress up! Be cool!
Extra Extra: Special announcement today!


You are welcome to bring your crew/friends/fans – and spread the news any way you can.



Lets fill the theater and celebrate this months films!

MoM has it s own YouTube account: http://www.youtube.com/user/MonthofMachinima
Soon after the openingsceremony the machinima’s will be included on the MoM YouTube playlist.

And, MoM's own promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoWgUeJH7K4&

All films are featured on AviewTV.com, and Lapiscean Liberty will run the films for us!

Landing points for the LEA MoM Theater:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/LEA1/218/43/21
http://slurl.com/secondlife/LEA2/215/215/21
http://slurl.com/secondlife/LEA3/42/40/21
http://slurl.com/secondlife/LEA4/44/215/21

The MoM films for August are.....

Here are the 11 films that are part of Month Of Machinima August 2011 (theme was architecture and design)

Theme for September is: Seasons. (be creative, think art...)
Submit your films here (deadline is the 10th)

Osprey Therian – Off the Wall
Hypatia Pickens – What Isn’t Underneath
JoseMaria Sunflower – Democratia Virtual Ya!
Draxtor Despres – The Kansas to Cairo Project Part#2
Penumbra Carter – Relevant Search
Bleu Oleander – The house That Self Built
Urban Steampunk – Copy Design
Hypatia Pickens – Two Ways of Looking at You
Natascha Randt – Alhambra – The last day of the Moorish rulership
Glasz DeCuir – Street Corner
Pyewacket Bellman – AM Radio

Thanks to Linden Lab for their support for machinima, and hosting Copy Design by Urban Steampunk on their website! YAY! (congrats, Urban!)


MoM has it s own YouTube account and playlist.
Soon after the openingsceremony the machinima’s will be included on the MoM YouTube playlist, on AviewTV.com, - and the opening event was filmed and will be posted there too.

Watch all MoM films on aViewTV

The MoM films featuring in July 2011

MoM playlist on You Tube is here

The films featuring for the month of July (2011) are:


Pep Lemmon with Traveling
Dacob Paine with Dedication
Pia Klaar with The Red Shoes: A Second Life Fairy Tale
Osprey Therian with When Warriors Gather
Larkworthy Antfarm with bRaiNwasHer
Urban Steampunk with Arcade Boy
Dacob Paine with Someone Called
Aaron Ishelwood with Wavey Sea
Yani Jowisz with Second Life Moderator (en breve) Machinima

We as LEA want to congratulate the filmers, and call upon all SL machinimatographers to keep submitting your work.

Themes for MoM - why?

Month of Machinima ---- MoM is set up to encourage and foster machinima-making by the Second Life community by providing a forum to screen excellent machinimas made - especially around the themes ---- new, fresh, short, art-focused machinima.

It aims to encourage filmmakers to make more machinima films, to try out new things, to experiment and play.
There are themes to give consistency to each month's group of machinima, so they are loosely grouped around something in common. Difference and diversity within themes is a must.
The idea of it being monthly was that it is ongoing; if this month's theme doesn't appeal, there will be another one next month.

Themes for 2011 are set, and we as LEA are working on creative themes for 2012 right now. If you see me inworld, send suggestions :-)

Theme for May 2011: None
Theme for June 2011: Mixed Reality (SL machinima has to be part of the mix)
Theme for July 2011: Games (games in SL, games people play, psychological games, etc.)
Theme for August 2011: Design and Architecture
Theme for September 2011: Seasons (in your life, the four seasons--get creative)
Theme for October 2011: Four elements
Theme for November 2011: SL Events
Theme for December 2011: Endings, conclusions


SL Art is your guideline in all submitted machinima. Be sure to http://www.blogger.com/img/blank.gifbe creative and take care of copyrights.

Deadline for submitting is the 10th of the month

Every first Wednesday of the month at 10 am PST/SL time: opening event in Secondlife, in the MoM theater.

* Submit here

MachinimaMondays Camera system paramparamm Papp

MachinimaMondays had a special guest on Monday 27th of June (2011) - paramparamm Papp presented his new Camera System during the 7 pm session.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/RastaOpen4/77/64/41

Special offer included at the end of the hour!

Chantal Harvey: welcome everybody, param is presenting his new camera system

Mary Wickentower: dusty box
Mary Wickentower: sneezes
Penumbra Carter: you need a blanket to sit on Mary:)
Spiral the Curiously Odd (spiral.silverstar): hi all
Penumbra Carter: WHIMP!
Friday Siamendes: good evening or morning or whatever it is where you are
Heineken Beer: Have a cold Heineken, Mary Wickentower! Cheers! Proost!
miles.eleventhauer: we're on crates tonight?..where are the couches??
Friday Siamendes: my butt already hurts
Heineken : Gotta love that Dutch beer, Mary Wickentower!
Jjccc ™ (jjccc.coronet): sold the furniture to pay off chantels vodka habbit
miles.eleventhauer: at least let me sit under the hair dryer...
Almo Schumann: My crate broke.
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): hurro!
Penumbra Carter: thinks it is the robot:) - formally known as chantal
Spiral the Curiously Odd (spiral.silverstar): omg
Bubblepop Unplugged: lol
Penumbra Carter: av pileup!
Mary Wickentower: pffffffft


Chantal Harvey: i suggest we let param explain the camera system, and then ask questions?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): hello everybody! :)

paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): so.. i will start with...
o my I dont even know where to start... Lorin Tone (you guys must have heard of him) was working on a project..
its a machinimatization of Eric Whitaker's Godzilla Eats Las Vegas
At the time he was hoping for a live performance
and he needed to make sure ppl would be looking at the spots where the action is happening..
and not where the actors and stage crew are building the next scene..
the original idea was to make a rotating auditorium that would face the action.
But then i told him if the audience was already sitting, we can control their cameras.
some of you probably know this already.
and worked with gadgets that use this feature
my gadget was specially designed for the live performance..
so it can hold more presets than the average camera huds
all just a click away
i'll rez a model










Jjccc ™ (jjccc.coronet): how long have you worked on this
miles.eleventhauer: ...are these crates loaded?
Matthew Kidomen: are each number a preset?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): you move around your camera, save camera positions and then you can recall those positions
or just sit on these rigged boxes and hit ESC
thats how the hud looks like
if you hit esc on the boxes, you can experience the second main feature of this hud
you will see the angles i am showing you
for those not sitting...
i will now rez a attachment type receiver vendor thingy
just click that thing and you'll get the attachment..
it goes to hud too, the on/off button shows whether its on or off (duh) and the antenna button below it shows if it received data or not
Hypatia Pickens: Looks like a green activated hud attachment
Hypatia Pickens: Do you wear it or rez it?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): wear
so basically this is it.
on the big hud
Bubblepop Unplugged: so far, all i can figure out, is theres this HUD that has something to do with machinima.
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): red buttons are unassigned, if you click one, it remembers your actual camera position and becomes green
if you click another one it goes yellow (to show it has stored data)
Penumbra Carter: ohh excellent!
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): the connection between the hud and machinima is..
that you can switch camera angles in real time
Graycon Sonata: wow
Friday Siamendes: so i assume an angle and click a ball thingie and it becomes the button for that angle?
you dont need to shoot a scene again and again from different angles
but you can of course.
Penumbra Carter: this just saves time, set up time
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): and can return to the same angles with a click, dont need to move your camera manually
Graycon Sonata: it really is a time saver
Ecsedi Deluxe: oh wow
Hypatia Pickens: Do I assume it with the cam controls? with my space navigator? with walking around?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): as i heard it doesnt work well together with a navigator. i myself cant confirm that because i don't have one
Friday Siamendes: ok let me disable my nav
Chantal Harvey: the navigator takes over the settings, so dont use that
Matthew Kidomen: I am using a nav and it is working fine
Matthew Kidomen: this would be great for filming a conversation between two people
Chantal Harvey: yes, and for a play
Chantal Harvey: or...movie
Matthew Kidomen: concert, especially known fixed locations
Matthew Kidomen: oh yes
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): so i do not know what will happen if you are camming with a navigator and try to save camera positions then. or recall them.
Penumbra Carter: is it ike you set up the angles and when your filming you type in what # angle you wnat to use while filming?
Mary Wickentower: so red dots means unassigned , green dots means assigned and what are yellow dots?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): but if you just focus and zoom in the way mortals do (alt-click)
you can set your camera angles easily
Bubblepop Unplugged: wait, wouldnt a hud cover the screen? can it be used while filming?










paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): you can hide your hud objects
alt-shift-H?
Hypatia Pickens: but then you need to find them to change them
Bubblepop Unplugged: but if its "hidden', how would i use it?
Spiral the Curiously Odd (spiral.silverstar): if it is hidden, how do you change views?
Almo Schumann: So one person films and one person switches.
Matthew Kidomen: one person control the angles as the other film

paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): oh i forgot to mention.. i added a few sample gestures..
you can extend them to any buttons you'd like
in some viewers, thats more than just the function keys
Matthew Kidomen: so you could set up facial expressions
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): AND...
if you do wanna keep SOME hud elements
Spiral the Curiously Odd (spiral.silverstar): so, you can set up your Own "Hot Keys?"
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): like... i know there are some frames and stuff out there
Penumbra Carter: you have to hit escape when its green?
Penumbra Carter: to get the different camera angles going on
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): then you can just edit the hud out of your screen and use the gestures
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): hitting escape returns your camera to its default position... i mean.. unfocused state..
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): ... and thats when a script can take over control.
Hypatia Pickens: full instructions in writing would be good.
Evie Fairchild: In English. :)
Hypatia Pickens: He's speaking English... (smiles)
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): i included a manual with the system and after this presentation you will all have the chance to get it
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): and even experiment with it.. as much as lag allows.. because...
these boxes youre sitting on are set to accept camera data from anyone
Penumbra Carter: ahhh










Friday Siamendes: so how do i put cam data in a box so to speak?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): if you want to use the system in a live performance tho, you would want to make it more secure..
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): and you can.
Ecsedi Deluxe: looks down at box, and taps
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): you can change the channel it listens for the data from the hud, and can set up a list of allowed controllers (avatar names) or set it to owner only
Chantal Harvey: there is a pro and a light version, right?
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): for now, i will set a vendor just for you guys and you can pay as much or as less as you think its worth to you....
Penumbra Carter: wow , that is generous Para!
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): at the moment i am still unsure about how to set the price on the market..
Chantal Harvey: paramm is doing us a big favor, lets not pay him less than 100 ld please
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): i dont want it to be too expensive, you know
Friday Siamendes: now we'll all look at each other and go "how much are you . . ."
Spiral the Curiously Odd (spiral.silverstar): rofl
Ecsedi Deluxe: bites lip
Hypatia Pickens: LOL
Hypatia Pickens: it looks like you put a lot of work into this
Penumbra Carter: I have worked, experimented with a few less sophistacated, this looks great
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): so if you think you would like to play and experiment with it, just pay it something :)
you can attach and edit and drag contents to your inventory
Chantal Harvey: this is a great offer, param
Chantal Harvey: is there a manual with it, param?
Friday Siamendes: seriously a very basic manual for the slow
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): i will try to use your paid amounts to set my price, you guys must know more precisely whats this worth.
Penumbra Carter: I do have a sense for how well this is going to work, with some experimenting
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): Chantal, yes, there is a manual.. i am still waiting for th e japanese translation that i want to include and couldnt finish my packaging for the item so the one you get it in is not final.
(my default packaging for my stuff looks like these boxes here)
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): yes english manual is in there
Chantal Harvey: i d suggest that if you like the system, tell ppl about it
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): it doesnt have an update feature, and i really hope i cleared it from bugs..
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): i had to do all the testing myself
but if you find something that doesnt seem to work right just tell me and i'll bring an update
Chantal Harvey: hey param, how about setting it for sale on my sim here
Chantal Harvey: i have 2 vendors already in the corner
Chantal Harvey: that way ppl can find it
paramparamm (paramparamm.papp): sure. as soon as i have the full package we can set it up here. that would be lovely!

Friday Siamendes: *stares uncomprehendingly at exotic new possession*
Graceful Aeon Schumann (graceful.aeon) waves bye all around

If you are interested in this system, please contact paramparamm.papp inworld.
My suggestion: Join the MachinimaMondays group and ask param if he wants to sell you a system.
It will be for sale soon! – I will let param set up a vendor at my sim, as I am grateful that the cam was presented first at our group!

MoM June 2011 machinima's

The Month of Machinima for June 2011 kick off went well, thanks to all that came to watch the films.
For those that want to go and see the films inworld, the theater is here:

There is a MoM YouTube account that shows all machinima's that were in the MoM theater, from every month.


These are the 14 machinima's that were included in MoM June:

Laslopnatomik Yao :Bibdui Babenco 31-08-09 Poetic DJ

Rocksea Renegade : Virtual & Reality

Pesto Portland : Beyond Insilico

Muk Dumpling : Muks Home Movies Reel 1

Termin Planer : Worst Trip to Second Life

Rick Garnburg : Hit The Beat

Bay Sweetwater : Domo arigato, Roboto-san (Thank-you, Mr. Robot)

Sierra Larsen : Somewhere Else

Phaylen Fairchild : Harbinger, the trailer

BobE Schism : Love is Sometimes Colder Than Ice

Mimesis Monday Rise and Dust

Sophia Yates : Magical Glorious Morn

Toxic Menges : Петро́вский флюс (a Petrovsky flux)

MoM - May 4, 2011, the LEA kick off event

http://community.secondlife.com/t5/Inworld/The-Month-of-Machinima-Event-Starts-Today/ba-p/852221

Thirteen 3-minute shorts were selected for this first Month of Machinima, which is a monthly screening of the best of Second Life machinima, as a showcase for machinima in the LEA Theater.

For the kickoff, there was no set theme – but from now on there will be a theme every new month.

The machinima’s are included on a playlist on the Monthofmachinima You Tube account.
MoM has its own promo too.

The names of the 13 filmers and their work:

Crap Mariner: Oscar Goldberg Speaks Out
Toxic Menges: Without Words
Steff Ling: Coloured Pencils
Daveypup Nirpaw: Karma Kong
Ok Tigerpaw: Toxing
Draxtor Despres: Oh boy, what a MESH
Rocksea Renegade: Dreamer’s Journey
Frankie Rockett: Nighthawks
NasosPsarris Portal: Paradox 34
Ole Etzel: The Disease: Outbreak in Here
Osprey Therian: Attack of the Robots
Penumbra Carter: The Unkempt Hair of the Dead
Hypatia Pickens: To Inhabit a House of Uneasy Chairs

My work for the Second Life machinima community, and MoM (Month of Machinima).

When I rezzed in Second Life, on January 8 2007, I had no idea.
I explored, met many people, and ended up working as a host in TJice danceclub, where i made 100 lindendollars an hour for chatting to people. My favorite way of spending time in SL and it paid too!

In rl I worked for a Dutch TV station, a stressful job with lots of ego’s around me. I produced, filmed and edited pretty much around the clock, and spending time in a virtual world was very relaxing.
No filming for me there – but that didnt last for very long. On 06-28-2007 TJice was sold and we were told to pack our virtual bags and leave before midnight.
At that time there was a camera embedded in the SL viewer menu, I experimented with it and made my very first machinima that day, never having heard of that word or genre. All I wanted was to preserve that club, where so many fun hours were spend.
I left that first machinima “thingy” online, its makes me cringe to watch it now, but it is how I started.

I never stopped filming since.
I did leave my tv job behind, and now focus on machinima.

Having made over 200 productions, in every possible genre, I realise how much Second Life has done for me. And, me for them.

I found the perfect way of overcoming the lonelyness that machinima people encounter.
I reached out and started organising community events, emphasysing on film, fun and growth.
I created the MaMachinima Int. Festival, providing filmers from all 3D games and virtual worlds with a cross-media platform to show their best work. (http://MMIF.org)
I started working as the machinima producer for the 48 Hour Film Project. (http://48hourfilm.com/machinima)
Together with Toxic Menges and Phaylen Fairchild I started the MachinimaMondays Group in SecondLife, with weekly meetings it is now called the most active machinima group in SL, connecting people and welcoming all. Filmers, writers, artists, poets, musicians, we work together.

Many projects followed, and I discovered that the more I gave, the more I got back.
The machinima community is a growing, open minded, sharing group of people with different cultures and backgrounds, and often a strong vision (and enough sillyness to be fun too). We learn from each other and show support.
I am proud to be a part of that!

Recently I helped organise a new initiative for the LEA.(http://alturl.com/io5zr)
Remembering the showcase for machinima on Secondlife.com - which is greatly missed by machinimatographers ever since it was abandoned, and we came up with the idea of an inworld showcase on the LEA sims.
So, we launched the Month of Machinima festival.(http://alturl.com/m96x6) Yay!

Every month, we will set a different theme, and a new maximum lenght for the machinima’s.
Deadline for submitting is the 10th, and the films change every first wednesday of the month.
The showcased machinima’s go on a playlist on youtube, so once a film is shown at MoM, it will be part of its history.

Werner Kurosawa built the LEA theater, of which I will give you a glimps now (the real thing is much better!):



































LEA kicks off on May 4th 2011 - at 10 am SL time, with the grand opening of MoM.
For the opening event, 12 3-minute machinima's have been selected out of many submissions. If yours is not chosen for the May showcase, I want you to know that we appreciate every film, we hope you will submit again and will keep your film on hand for future events.

MoM overview

* MoM applications can be submitted through the 10th of each month for consideration in the following month.
* MoM screenings take place in world every first Wednesday of each month.
* You will be notified if your film is chosen.
* Films that are not chosen for one month may be selected to be screened in the future.
* Length of your film is 3 minutes max (unless when stated otherwise)
* Find all of the information and link to the application to submit your machinima information here:

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Linden_Lab_Official:Month_of_Machinima

MoM Themes for 2011:

* June: Mixed Reality (SL machinima has to be part of your mix) --- 6 minutes max runtime
* July: Games in SL
* August: Design and Architecture
* September: Seasons (in your life, the 4 seasons, or ?)
* October: The 4 Elements
* November: SL Events
* December: Endings, conclusion

Your guideline is SL Art, and about the themes ... be creative, and do take care of copyrights.

The LEA committee members:
Bryn Oh
Chantal Harvey
Dancoyote Antonelli
Dekka Raymaker
Dizzy Banjo
Jayjay Zifanwe
L1Aura Loire
Rez Menoptra
Sasun Steinbeck
Werner Kurosawa
Courtney Linden

Linden Lab is recognising the importance of machinima, and is giving back to the community.
They are supporting and recognising our machinima efforts, and there is more to come.

Machinima is ART and ready to conquer the World!

MMIF festival 2011 is coming!

MaMachinima International Festival is an annual mixed media event, that intends to provide a platform for the very best machinima of our time.

The MMIF is a festival for the art of machinima.

Not a contest, no awards, but an excellent way of sharing your machinima with an international community.
Machinimatographers of all platforms and engines are invited to submit their best work.
The MMIF was initiated in 2009 by Dutch machinimatographer Chantal Harvey, aiming to create a community of machinimatographers around the world.
The festival is simultanuously held in Amsterdam (NL), Second Life®, and streamed on the internet.

Machinimatographers are invited to come to Amsterdam and/or to Second Life®, and will be provided with the opportunity to answer questions, to talk about their work with a global audience.

Http://MMIF.org 2011 happens on June 17 and 18.
This year, MMIF is working with http://Metameets.com

Feb 14, 2011: MachinimaMondays special guest speaker: Goat Firethorn

I am happy to post the Q & A session with Goat Firethorn, on MachinimaMondays.

http://slurl.com/secondlife//81/84/41

Ever wondered about PC hardware? Which graphic card, processor, soundcard, memory, harddrives, ram ..... should you get to run SL smoothly?
How to spend your money wisely?
Please take note that Goat is not a machinimatographer, but his excellent knowledge about hardware has made quite an impression.


Here is the chat:

Chantal Harvey: this MachinimaMonday meeting will be in chat, not in voice
Kayden Oconnell: ok, thought it was pretty quiet.
Graycon Sonata: It feels so clinical...
Almo Schumann: We're just shy.
Chantal Harvey: i want to let you all know that this meeting is in chat, as it will be logged for the ones that cannot come today - so pls ask many questions, this entire session will be done as Q & A.

Goat Firethorn, the lovely fox avatar here, has agreed to share some of his excellent knowledge.




Goat: LOL everyone thinks it's a fox!
Ironically, it's a husky, but I get called a fox all the time.

Anyways - where should we start?
Chantal Harvey: could you introduce yourself?
Goat: I'm Goat, I've been working with computers for about 13 years, but I got into hardware around 4 years ago.
Actually I learned most from my father, who has been working with computers since the age of punchcards doing hardware work.

Graycon Sonata: so you actually assemble computers?
Goat: yes, I do - I have ... quite a few and some parts laying around

Kayden Oconnell: was hoping for some information on what to look for when buying a new system, processor, memory, graphics.
Goat: I'm going to have to say that I can't come up with PC's right now, and here's my explanation:
Right now, the motherboard and CPU industry is at a standstill, due to the release cycle, and Intel having a recall on the P67 chipsets, which essentially makes buying ANY new motherboard a rip-off.
In april, the new chipsets come in, then P67 comes, but until then, all you can do is buy things that are soon to be outdated.

Graycon Sonata: so just to open the field up to you was wondering if you which hd would you recommend for storage as an external?

Starshine (ormand.lionheart): why does SLI not work anymore?

Graycon Sonata: and are you a fan of a single taro or duel taro?

Goat: actually, if you don't mind I'll answer the second first
SLI does work, but it requires code to be written for it in the application. SL, had SLI support at the start, but it got phased out as the code progressed , it's actually still on the Nvidia webpage as SLI compatable

Goat: I like the HD question lol
Actually, I myself don't own any SSD's, and their quite pricy, so what I did buy was an awesome hdd that I reccomend 100%
Graycon Sonata: which one?
Goat: It was actually really really cheap, $ 40.00, and it outpaces some of the $ 130+ Velociraptors, as well as ALL of the Caviar blacks. It's a Samsung F4 320GB, note that the F4 2TB is NOT near as fast, and is actually extemely slow.
Graycon Sonata: I have 320 GB and find with recording I am filling it up fast due to files size,
and existing fies so therefore I was wondering about externals and your views on single vs duel gig storage.
Goat: yes, I'd say for recording in HD, I'd go with a drive assigned to just that.
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): well u definitely need 7200 rpm to capture .
Goat: yes, but actually RPM on an HDD has a lot less impact than you think. For example, the velociraptor is 10,000 RPM, yet it gets beat by my drive @ 7200.





Goat: that's a link to a comparison I ran across drives.
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): yes but I cant capture with a gren drive, wont keep up
LaPiscean Liberty: bus speed probley plays into that
Goat: yes, of course, they're all factors, I'd reccomend probably a Samsung F3 1TB, or a caviar Black 1TB if you like Western Digital, they both do extremely well - around 115 mb/s read
Ken Alphaville: i agree
Talia Sunsong (taliasunsong): Do people find the 1 TB break faster?
Jewle Rae: every single terrabyte drive I have purchased for video has failed. I personally won't recommend them to anyone for that reason. Also fragmentation comes faster when using terrabyte drives.
Chantal Harvey: i have 4 drives, 2 terrabit each, and they work fab
LaPiscean Liberty: an array of smaller drives seems like it would save more data if a drive went down
Graycon Sonata: then you prefer half taro to full on and piny them?
Goat: I personally haven't had any issues with them, but since you are doing heavy video editing, I'd probably go western digital, if anything happens, you have a 5 year waranty to back you up.
Ken Alphaville: same happened to me till i stuck with western D.
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): SEAGET had issues last year
Graycon Sonata: nice ans we have that here.
Jewle Rae: So happy for you Chantal. Believe me if I had any luck with them I would have stuck with them. OTOH copying takes so much longer.
Petlove Petshop: i just returned a seagate - wasn't working properly
Ken Alphaville: oh man seagate ...
Ken Alphaville: runnnnn ....
Jewle Rae: II've had both Seagate and WD.
Goat: I personally haven't used seagate in awhile, I stick with Samsung and WD usually

Chantal Harvey: could there be a difference between European and American hardware?
Goat: usually no, european is about the same
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): Seagate 7200.11's - over 30% failure apparently.
Inquisitive Loon: Ive got an OLD Pentium 4, works fabulously with all my editing/filming software.
Inquisitive Loon: CPU cost 10.00 keyboar 1.00, mouse fift cents and the 20 inch monitor was free.
Inquisitive Loon: Id rather have Spielberg hired to work on my Pentium 4 than someone less talented with a 5,000,000 computer.

LaPiscean Liberty: large resolutions like full HD are very hard on graphic cards

Goat: Actually, let me recommend a really awesome company, and the only reason I reccomend them is because their support is something it sounds like you need.
I actually just recently purchased my first EVGA product, and it was amazing.
The reason I recommend this brand is really the quality of support
I've NEVER waited more than two minutes on a phone, and they are open 24/7
Chantal Harvey: evga, yes!!! i agree
Goat: so if you kill video cards like you say, and you plan going NVidia, that'd be an awesome company to go with, not to mention they support overvolting and overclocking. Best company I've ever seen.
That and NZXT, who also has great support program.

Starshine (ormand.lionheart): the problem is that is Mac only? - and from what I have heard Macs do not run Sl very well compared to PC
Goat: actually, on the contrary, Macs actually do a bit better
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): whose PC are you comparing too?
Jewle Rae: Macs handle SL better goat?
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): there is such an issue with tweaking it's hard to compare
Goat: ): nono - I wouldn't make that bold of a statement
Mac is generally not going to have as good quality parts, as with any prebuilt system, but yes, the OS itself handles OpenGL better
The reason is, Windows uses DirectX as it's main 3D API, Linux and Mac actually have a cleaner and more complete OpenGL API
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): also a musicion with Protools not happen with his Mac since the changeover to Intel chips - Protools Hardware now basically obsolete

Goat: If you've ever run SL on Linux, you KNOW you get a nice FPS boost
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): so the issue with Mac is not hardware but the viewer?
Goat: not really, It's the Operating system itself
Anything OpenGL based usually runs as good on OSX and Linux, if not better, than on windows
al Peretz: do you think linux is a good OS for machinima in SL?
Goat: Actually, it depends
linux is very complex when you get into it, but if you know linux, then yes, it'd be ideal since it has very low hardware requirements, and better threading
LaPiscean Liberty: I wish Windows had broadcaster like MAC does
LaPiscean Liberty: for live feed
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): so if I run a linux partition you suggest I will get hifgher fps?
al Peretz: I will try linux
al Peretz: whch version you recommend?
al Peretz: suse is good for that?
Goat: eh, yes, depending on the viewer, usually (You would need to install your proprietary drivers)
Like I said, linux isn't as easy as it sounds, but it's gotten much more friendly in recent years
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): is there a Linux "for Dummies"?
Goat: actually, there are several distributions made for converts from windows, but again, you have to see what your needs are
For example, Linux will not support as many programs, so that's something to look into
al Peretz: I used linux some years...Its easy to do a partition and hace 2 OS in one computer
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): well just a partition for filming and that 's it
Goat: Just be careful!
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): would be a nice option if there is a performance boost
al Peretz: I think film in linux and edit in windows
Petlove Petshop: can you do that al?
Goat yes you can, and actually that probably would work best, but like I said, things aren't so ideal as of right now
I run Mint Debian Linux, and there are a few things you have to do to get good FPS, etc

Jewle Rae: What about RAM and chip speed? what's your recommendation goat?
Goat: yeah, let's steer away from software, I don't want you to convert unless you wish to, I really beleive all OS's have their place
Jewle Rae: Anybody else finding their system running hotter after this last round of viewer updateas?
Goat: actually that would be an odd thing, but a good thing.

Actually, I'll try and stick to hardware here, but one last note on software is that it can affect performance a lot, especially drivers. As for the question on clock speeds, that's one thing that is very misleading, as are all numbers with computers. What I find is that a lot of people tend to compare numbers with computers readily, and in actuality, it isn't so easy. For example, really cool fact:
Ever wondered why your harddrive shows less space than it says on the box?
Petlove Petshop: isn't because of its own operating system needs?
Goat: it's actually because manufacturers round using MiB, instead of real MB, MiB = Mebibytes, MB = Megabytes
Matthew Kidomen: Isn't part used in formating as well.
Goat: yes, part is formatting, but a small part.
Matthew Kidomen: how much effect does the hard drive have on video capture
Goat: basically, what happened is that the hardware industry decided to go on 1000 = increment
Goat: and software says 1024
for example 1024kb = 1Mb
hardware makers rounded, saying 1000 instead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mebibyte
Goat: that's why a drive shows quite a bit less
Chantal Harvey: i liked matthews question a lot
( how much effect does the hard drive have on video capture )
Goat: actually a lot
from what I understand video capture records to the harddrive, so having a good write speed is important
Jewle Rae: Hard drive speed and fragmentation have major impact on video capture.

Matthew Kidomen: I think some one was talking about SSD drives not long ago?
Chantal Harvey: ssd is a good idea?
Goat: I would think any fast 7200 would do good, and actually SSD migt not be so good
Chantal Harvey: oh why not?
Goat: the reason I say it may not is size, and issues with writing. SSD's are expensive for their size, and from what i understand, video eats size.
Matthew Kidomen: but ususally I record in short burst, no extended video
Goat: as well, SSD's use a LOT more maintenence than you think, and they have limits
LaPiscean Liberty: and pricey
Matthew Kidomen: so could I get a smaller SSD and shoot then transfer it to my sata drive
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): an SSD apparently more apppriate for program nstalls and OS
Goat: actually one of the very important things a lot of people don't get about SSD's is they require things that harddrives do not first off
SSD's require you to turn off indexing, Paging, and anything that reads and writes a ton
The reason is that SSD's wear faster
They actually wear, just like RAM. They are made of RAM chips, by wear I mean, they begin giving errors
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): you can only write to a specic place a number of times and then it's done
Goat: yup, which is why it isn't good for a lot of reads and writes
Matthew Kidomen: the paper runs thin
LaPiscean Liberty: more like flashing a bios chip seems like
Goat: eh, not really - Flashing a BIOS is just dangerous
RAM actually is essentially what an SSD is made of Flash chips, NAND that is lined in rows
LaPiscean Liberty: yes but arnt you burning to chip rather then optic ewriting
Matthew Kidomen: yes, but are we talking months or years of use?
Goat: years - definitely.
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): not if u start capturing to it
Goat: but where a harddrive keeps spinning for awhile, an SSD will die eventually
Matthew Kidomen: well 3 years on an SSD would be enough. Tech changes so fast
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): since an OS loads in RAm it's not using the SSd much
Goat: and yes, the reason they tell you to turn off Paging on it
If you paged to an SSD, you'd eat it alive, paging is basically where you use part of a harddrive as slow RAM
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): Q anyone else using a Ramdisk?
Goat: for example if you use a lot of system RAM, you begin paging things to your hdd, which in the case of an SSD would literally mean tons of reads and writes per second, which eats it alive
LaPiscean Liberty: Q how much cache on a drive is good and should it be used
Goat: cache, as in the cache on a drive does have an impact on drive speed, but it really depends, and it's always used, you can't turn it off
But on high performance drives it can be different
It's also relative to size, it's basically like a buffer - when you go to write to the hdd, it sends it to the HDD, and a stack builds in cache
LaPiscean Liberty: so that it may read and write at same time
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): Q- hardware to optimise particle performance re" fps
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): a 580 GTX and overclocked cpu?
That's a bit overkill, I do fine with my 460
Matthew Kidomen: haha, never too much power. Give me power, power, POWER!!!

Chantal Harvey: yea but if you were to buy, today, wouldnt you buy a nvidia 580?
Goat: if I had the money, No. - the reason is kinda complex
Basically when they make a GPU, they make it using silicon on three layers
What they do to make it, is take a sliver of silicon, with SiO2, an insulator, on top of it, and use a laser to write the actual transistors to it
The reason things keep getting smaller is that they keep shortening the wavelength of the light
Currently, the 500 and 400 series are at 40nm = 40 nanometers
But later this year, a new GPU comes out from Nvidia at 28nm, with a new design
which is what I'd save up for - Kepler = 28nm, quarter 4 of 2011
Chantal Harvey: ahhhh - omg ty for that
Chantal Harvey: on the new nvidia: HERE

Matthew Kidomen: what about video ram
Matthew Kidomen: any suggestions for how much is over kill
Matthew Kidomen: or is it the more the better?
LaPiscean Liberty: water cooled fuel injected
Goat: SL actually can't use more than 512, but really it'd use...around 700 with everything in the background, etc. Yes, usually the more the better, but again it's not as important as you'd think
SL can only access 512mb of VRAM, at the most
Matthew Kidomen: (taking notes)
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): Nividia not ATi from what I have seen in forums
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): apparently ATI sues system memory n OpenGL games
Starshine (ormand.lionheart): at least it did
Goat: I actually prefer Nvidia in SL, simply because ATI has issues with OpenGL coding in the drivers, but they are getting better
Heh, I'm actually using 608mb VRAM right now
Matthew Kidomen: some folks love them which is ok, but I have had big battles with them.





Goat: really, I want to hit on something someone said earlier - and I almost missed it:
If you ever build a computer
Something I REALLY REALLY say to look at is Power supply
Matthew Kidomen: does it effect video capture speed and "smoothness" if you run two monitors?
Chantal Harvey: how much power supply?
Goat: well i depends on what you're doing
Jewle Rae: Now you're talking -- power supply is critical
Goat: and actually like I said, you can't really rely on the numbers they post
For example, yes, you can get cheap 1000w power supplies
Yet I've seen one shoot 3" flames which wasn't good
Brand is REALLY something to pay attention to with power supplies, as well as model.

There's actually a good list on several places, a forum I use regularly, go to this link

Really great thread, tells you a lot about power supplies.
Matthew Kidomen: video cards can draw a lot of juice
Goat: yes, and with a bad power supply, you can fry things.
You have got to keep in mind, power supply gives everything voltage.
So if you go cheap, anything else you buy can be fried instantly!



I actually got mine on sale, it's a corsair TX850, which really has been awesome.

Seasonic, Corsair, Silverstone, they all make great power supplies.
Matthew Kidomen: don't power supplies list the number of watts per rail at a certain voltage?
Goat: yes, as tested by them, which means they may have tested at 20C, and reported those, which is very misleading.
Matthew Kidomen: they wouldn't lie woult they?
Goat: no, but they sure are good at getting around it
Matthew Kidomen: hummm
Goat: that list really, anything tier 3 or above is fine, anything above would be for overclockers...
Which need a REALLY stable voltage

Anyways sorry I didn't get to answer everyone's questions
You guys are an awesome group

Chantal Harvey: we will have to have you back here, Goat

And he will be back in April, hopefully to talk about Kepler and other new developments in PC hardware.

Mr Firethorn, you rock!